I hate Ubuntu. I immediately lose respect for anyone who runs it, and especially those who advocate it. Here’s why:
Name 20 features, release-for-release or year-for-year that have not come from Redhat. Redhat basically runs the show when it comes to Linux. This includes things like NetworkManager, Gnome, Xorg, GCC, glibc, LVM, KVM, kernel, file systems et al. Redhat has developers making significant contributions to the entire FOSS software stack upstream.
Ubuntu on the other hand pulls most of the heavy weight packaging from Debian with each release. They then perform minor patching and testing. It generally lags behind Fedora by a release or two in parts of the software stack. I never see @ubuntu or @cannocial email addresses in upstream changelogs.
So tell me again, how exactly does Ubuntu innovate? They even struggle to release a new theme with each release, and artwork is about the only original thing in Ubuntu.
Yes, Ubuntu is stable because they are standing on the shoulders of giants. Most of the hard work is hashed out before they ever import software into their repositories. This is fine, and what FOSS is all about, but I prefer to be in with the leaders rather than the followers.
What really irks me and what has really brewed my hatred are Ubuntu users. They seem to think Ubuntu is responsible for all that is good in the FOSS world. I have just proven how false this is. In my experience, Ubuntu support mechanisms (IRC, mailing lists, forums) are much less helpful than the alternative.
If you want a nice desktop distro, run Fedora or OpenSUSE. If you like control, run Gentoo. If you need stability, run RHEL/CentOS or Debian. But please, don’t feed the idiot magnet that is Ubuntu!
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Do you want to know what Ubuntu has done that others haven’t done well … Marketing. They may not be the newest or the best but the have obviously done a reasonable job of getting their name out there otherwise you wouldn’t be writing this blog post.
Goto debian.com, redhat.com , suse.com and ubuntu.com and compare what you see.
Debian, I imagine, is a little intimidating to the new comer to linux, their homepage doesn’t look particularly friendly.
Redhat and SuSE homepages are all about enterprise, servers, virtualisation. This is hardly going to intice the average windows switcher.
Goto ubuntu.com, (ok they do have a banner for EC2 servers but..) theirs is the only page that mentions things like laptops, desktops, webbrowsing, wordprocessing, instant messenger. This is what ubuntu brings to the table.
And as for your final comment “But please, don’t feed the idiot magnet that is Ubuntu!”, well that just sounds like elitist bullshit!
Just my opinion :-)
… you need to relax and stop “hating” users of any OS. In fact, I don’t really appreciate you’re attitude being associated with the broader Linux community. You’re post has just done more harm for Linux (fedora and opensuse included) than good. Out of curiosity, does you’re email appear in the change logs? In any case it doesn’t matter.
Where to begin.
Why not the innovation issue head on. If you want to know where Ubuntu has innovated all you need to ask yourself is why does it have more users (probably) than any other distro. And why has the community of linux users grown (contributing some to other distros as well) since Ubuntu came on the scene. And the answer is really obvious: user experience. Ubuntu isn’t the ideal of how most people want to use their computer, but it’s closer to that than any other distro. And it knows how to sell itself, how to get attention, how to reach out to people in various ways. You can have the most wonderful product in the world but it’s not gonna make a difference if noone knows about it. And it’s also not gonna make a difference if upon using it for half an hour this “wonderfulness” is nowhere to be seen. The reason why people “hate” Ubuntu is the same reason why linux couldn’t attract all these people who are now using it in the first place. They just don’t get what most people want out of their computer experience.
Don’t get me wrong, Fedora is great. But for developers. And hey, I’m a developer, but I don’t use it. Why? Because the user experience is more important to me than the developer experience. And that’s why I run Gentoo and Ubuntu, they’re just better to *use*. As a user I DON’T CARE where the code is coming from. I care that it’s put together in a way that’s great to use.
And so you complain that users think all this stuff is coming out of Ubuntu. Isn’t that annoying? Yeah, sure it is. Just like all those lemmings think Apple invented everything when in fact all they do is take existing products and ideas and integrate them. But the point isn’t that this perception is wrong. The point is that people need to understand that this is what there’s a market for. Well integrated, easily discoverable products.
And I’ll tell you what else. Fedora is better to use today than it was 5 years ago. Why? Because Ubuntu has taught us something.
Their “innovation” is the consumer-orientated marketing campaign and methodology to make Linux easier (and arguably more palatable) to average Joe consumer.
OpenSUSE and Fedora are providing more for the average non-technical user but it is still kludgy and lacks some of the niceties that people new to Linux and not interested in digging into the details appreciate.
As for the changelogs, wasn’t there a snit about Ubuntu not passing anything upstream to Debian and because of that they are now passing up to Debian and not further up?
“Gnome, Xorg, GCC, glibc, LVM, KVM, kernel, file systems et al. ”
Gnome, Xorg, GCC, glibc, file systems ALL predate, originate and continue to develop outside of Red Hat. KVM they just bought. Qurmert was the developer of that code and was a start up funded by venture capitalists. Till the buy Red Hat had no more to do with them than Ubuntu did.
I also find it interesting that as much as you decry no upstream feeds you will in the same article advocate CentOS. Its a good OS, I use it, but it is even more flagrant a usurper of Red Hat code than Ubuntu is of Debian.
Ubuntu has its problems but I can think of a lot worse issues than whether they are contributing to upstream development.
Agree with above.. Ubuntu was the first distro that, to me, felt like like a complete product and for my hardware at the time (and present), it just works.
I used Redhat for 3 years and then 4 years with Gentoo and whilst it taught me alot of what I know about Linux today it was always a fiddly ride.
Ofcourse Ubuntu stands on the shoulders of giants. Have they ever claimed otherwise? What they do right as numerodix says is that they got the user experience bang on and it shows.. judging by how popular it is.
And seeing as you apparently hate the distribution because of it’s users.. well that says more about you than it does about Ubuntu.. It’s a damn good distribution that works as advertised most of the time.. that’s not so bad a thing now is it?
Has to be said that I never use anything but Debian for servers though..
I must agree with the 1st response above. I used Fedora before it was Fedora (remember the free RedHat desktop?). Anyone remember RPM hell?
Yum came about because of Debian’s Apt and Mandrake’s urpmi. SuSE came out with YAST. I do not wish to downplay Fedora/RedHat’s contributions to Linux and FOSS at all. However, it did not become a “user” distribution until Mandrake and SuSE said “Look… it’s like RedHat… only easier to use, maintain, and update!”
Ubuntu has taken Debian and said “Look… it’s like Debian… only everything has the name you expect (IceWeasel anyone?), the performance you desire, along with ease of use, maintenance, and updatability.”
A Linux distribution is merely a gathering of open source software based upon the Linux kernel as the core of the OS. Ubuntu has merely created an easy to use, easy to swallow package that gets headlines. It is quick to install and get up running. Most items are automatically configured without wonking around in text files. It is a good grouping of open source software based upon the Linux kernel. Are they perfect? No! But, they started others thinking “Why can’t our distribution be as easy?”
It feels a bit odd to be judged as a person simply because I run a particular distro. Judge ideas, not people.
“I immediately lose respect for anyone who runs it, and especially those who advocate it.” – you’re too stupid to state that!
“So tell me again, how exactly does Ubuntu innovate?” – who said Ubuntu innovates? It’s just make things SIMPLE for noobs aka ex-Windows users, and even advanced users that need speed and don’t have time to compile the WHOLE fucking system (read: Gentoo).
Oh… and… please, please, do us all a HUGE favor and DO NOT write anymore!
I don’t have to read this article and all i have to say is your an ass!
just another fedora fanboy ranting..get a life dude
Well, do I really need your respect?? Guess not…..
hm…to hate it you have to love it first. just move on, you did not pay for it and why complaining!! crazy people really…
I use Ubuntu. I’m aware that Ubuntu did not magically appear out of the ether. I know that there are other great distributions out there. And I can really do nothing but snicker at my-OS-is-holier-than-thou powernerds.
@numerodix IMHO, user experience in fedora, today, is better than how it is in ubuntu and, if you really were a developer, you would probably care more about “who” writes the code instead of “who” put it together, like you wrote
that in fact is what the GPL cares about :+)
btw, as written on reddit:
canonical writes closed source software, like this: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape
canonical uses closed source software, like launchpad (the webapp itself) https://launchpad.net/
debian is good, ubuntu isn’t
ubuntu doesn’t put its attention on free software and the same do most of the noobs that approach linux via ubuntu
while free software instead is the only thing that matters, because otherwise you could be running macos, windows or whatever and it would make no difference
if you care about why people should use linux instead of windows, you would probably care about free software and probably dislike (at least partially) ubuntu
Instead of just using Ubuntu, there is a very vocal group of fanbois that just happen to have little Linux experience for many of the reasons in the comments above.. they are all marketing and cater to Windows users. I am constantly attacked when I point out the benefits of a source distro like Gentoo, an exciting bleeding edger like Fedora, or a true server OS like Debian and RHEL. It is frustrating.
I see a lot of PKB in the comments. Just because I don’t like Ubuntu doesn’t mean the product is bad. Ubuntu carries the same false elitism and fanaticism any time you point out shortcomings. I refuse to be part of such group mentality.
I agree completely with your sentiments about unoobtu. The only thing it really has going for it is an owner who is a corporate insider who was able to effectively market it. As a side note I’d like to ask all the commenters who pointed out the size of the unoobtu user base. – Does a large user base mean winblows or mac is superior or does it simply mean sheep will always follow the hype machine? Now getting back to the article I do admit you are for the most part correct about the contributions of RedHat and Suse. But must disagree that they are the most stable or have the best user experience. There are many distros available and all have their strong points and many are by far superior to RedHat and Suse. And as far as your comment for control use Gentoo? Gentoo was by far the worst source based distro I ever tried. Use Lunar or Sourcemage instead.
I’m using for a year now and it’s my first satisfying linux distro. I installed it and it worked out of the box. It’s stable and it’s easy to maintain. Ubuntu is bringing linux to the masses, giving them a great first use experience. I think that’s the main plus.
Ok they use the techniques other provided. Isn’t that one of the pillars of open source? Share your knowledge and make it available for others to benefit from. I know ubuntu is not the fastest and first in line to implement new technology, but from a user point of view, I rather have something which is tested thoroughly enough, than new techniques which make my programs crash. Troubleshooting can be fun too, but not when I’m doing work on it.
I haven’t tried fedora and opensuse yet, but I tried a couple of other smaller distros. All of them took a lot more configuring to get them running, had a more complicated installer. If I didn’t have a working linux to learn from and experiment with, I would have had a much harder time to install them.
You could say I could also use Debian. I’ve tried that and there I can either use an outdated stable release or an up-to-date unstable release. Plus when installing it, I had to make a lot of choices of which I would have had no idea before using Linux. I don’t like al the choices ubuntu made for the included applications. But at least they gave me something to start with.
And I can always compile from source, if I really want/need a new version of a program which isn’t available as a binary package. As soon as I find an alternative which is as easy to maintain and has other benefits like being faster or being more bleeding-edge and is still stable in every day use, I’m more than willing to switch, but so far I’m still looking.
Kev009, you’re not making sense to anyone here that I can tell.
I don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about when comparing hybrid cars, or Ubuntu falling flat on it’s face upon “closer inspection”.
For the record, I’m a developer that has been using Linux full time (desktop and server) for 6 years now and Ubuntu in particular for the last two. So obviously Ubuntu caters to more than just a Windows user.
You’re post about vocal Ubuntu fanboys (and other jibber) is ridiculously hypocritical. Take yer Fedora, shove it up yer arse and start saying something intelligent and constructive.
Martin,
Unless you plan on being an amateur sysadmin, compiling from source on a binary distro is a bad idea. You will need to keep track of security fixes, library changes, and bug fixes then update accordingly.
Fedora has the speed and bleeding edge you desire, yet it pretty stable (more so a few weeks after a major release). You get all the new features that make Linux fun, and all the new development toys that improve productivity.
If being an amateur sysadmin is your thing, definitely check out Arch Linux or Gentoo. FreeBSD is also really good here, though you can choose to use it as a “Debian” or “Gentoo” work-a-like depending on how you install packages from Ports.
I can’t take seriously any article that suggests using Suse. It’s shit.
Though I do agree that many Ubuntu users are clueless and don’t know where linux ends and Ubuntu begins. They just assume it’s all Ubuntu and probably haven’t even heard of GNU.
Kev009
If u hate ubuntu and love fedora keep it to yourself. It’s all linux kernel anyways and what is cool about linux is every distro has it’s own characteristics. Ubuntu is made easy for noobs. To take users away from windows. Show a noob fedora and then show the same user ubuntu. I think the user will automatically will like ubuntu much more. Especially for software installations (Add/Remove programs). I haven’t used fedora for awhile since fedora 8 which was buggy and I didn’t like. I also heard RedHat uses fedora for beta testing purposes. At that point of course u will always have bleeding edge.
Just what the Linux community needs – The needless breeding of internal discontent. Way to go, d-bag.
Needed a good excuse to finally stop reading planet larry. Thanks!
Kev,
Thanks for the tips. When I compile from source, it mainly are applications to create music. I don’t think there’s a high security risk there. The library updates and bug fixes are of course more of an issue, especially the dependency breakdowns.. :(. As soon as I’ve found the right program for me, I wouldn’t mind that though.
I’m trying out arch on an old laptop at the moment. I hope it will be fast enough to make it a usable system for normal usage. I’ve been wanting to try out gentoo for some time. But compiling from source is a rather painstaking experience on such an old system (p3-800;128MB;5GB-4200rpm-hdd) and I haven’t got a more recent spare system to try it out.
I’ll check on fedora and will read some reviews about it, maybe try it in virtualbox or on my old laptop. I know I can install it next to my current xubuntu install, but a virtual hdd is easier to remove and I haven’t got enough space to spare to run 2 systems on a semi-permanent base, since it will take some time to get used to it and decide if I like it better or not.
@Jerry : If you can’t see the fun of discussions, why join them? I just think kev started a discussion, by telling why he doesn’t like ubuntu and giving others the possibility to present their arguments.
I agree 100% with the blog. Ubuntu is actually a good distro, but that’s because it’s really Debian, plus the bulk of the Debian repositories. (Well, it’s not as stable as Debian, because Canonical takes Debian and runs some custom scripts on it which add a few GUI “enhancements” that ultimately break some of the software in the Debian repositories). It’s the Debian folks who do the real development/testing, and the Ubuntu fanbois who ignorantly assign all the credit to Ubuntu/Canonical, the latter who do relatively little for open source compared to entities like Redhat, Novell, and Debian.
Ubuntu is the most overrated distro ever put out. It’s not nearly as good as its fanbois portray it to be — certainly not moreso than many other distros. Its “success” is all the result hype and fanboi “marketing”. Ubuntu is the Microsoft Windows of the linux world. And its forums are a cesspool of misinformation and fanboi posturing. Ask a question in a gentoo forum and you’ll get a real, accurate answer. Ask that question in an Ubuntu forum, and you’ll get 10 responses — 5 being factually incorrect or useless, 4 being off-topic fanboi advocacy, and 1 being a link to the answer in the gentoo forum. And the ubuntu moderators encourage the poor quality of their forums.
Thank you great review. Finally some one said it!!
Ubuntu is a Leech :-)
heh, the blog post is garbage, it’s just interesting to see the comments though nonetheless :D
we all know we are noobs here for ..
1. true users doesn’t have time for clueless trashing blog
for commenters..
2. you commented in this blog post because you feel the need to, it’s a testament that you still have something to learn, only comment on those intelligent bashing blogs, not this..
Kev009, I don’t think your attitude brings anything to FOSS and Linux.
There are possibilities to make something positive and non destructive…
You want to make something positive?
Be a tester, a coder, write positive articles, etc.
If you want, start here:
http://www.johannes-eva.net/index.php?page=ooo_hidden_ruler
(I know, it’s kind of advertising my ideas…)
Come on dude, GNU/Linux is a big family, and there must be some division of labor. Ubuntu does the work of offering a easy-to-use OS to desktop users and brings more and more people to Linux. Ubuntu makes it, and does a good job.
while i agree most of what you say has some truth in it. but i have to say its really unfair, redhat,suse, and debian have been in this linux/FOSS business far longer than ubuntu so naturally there have more contribution, ubuntu has never one time claimed to the creator of many of the products it uses, infact Mark Shuttleworth once remarked that ubuntu provide the glue that makes all the technologies gel. nobody has ever under estimated the amount of work that Debian that put into debian to make ubuntu what it is. and in fact many of ubuntu developers are also debian developers. what your article lack is objectivity which was lost to the wind with the title. it seem you just don’t see anything good about ubuntu and just want to throw everything at it to discredit it. you talked about canonical being using closed source software i mean what has that got to do with anything.. canonical is to ubuntu what redhat is to fedora and novel to suse they are not necessary the same. why do i like ubuntu. because from the word go its focus has been the Linux desktop.something Redhat conceded to windows a long time ago http://is.gd/l2SW http://is.gd/l2T8 it has long been the norm that Linux is for the servers a Linux desktop was not only unprofitable but also impossible to sell to mainstream. looking at the Linux space before the advent of ubuntu and tell me which distribution focussed on home user or the average joe. ubuntu came and changed all that. it made the world see that Linux not only works on the desktops but its a better options. and while redhat and novel where making deals with hp and dell on the enterprise space. ubuntu struck a deal with dell to sell Linux computers to home users. the ordinary average joe like me was now able to buy an high end machine (dell xps m1330) that runs Linux. fine redhat,novel and debian have all done a great job to make the tools are use on my ubuntu work, but its ubuntu that afforded me the opportunity to use this tools on my (and my girl friends laptop) through the way its all glued to work. am not a geek am just some regular guy who wants a system that works, ubuntu gives me that and for that am for ever greatful just as i am greatful to Redhat,Debian,Novel,FSF, and everybody that test,develops, and meantain free software
Don’t have a problem with them leeching; they clearly put out a better product at the moment. Last time I tried Fedora the package manager broke in a way I couldn’t recover from and that’s enough to make me shun it for a while.
Ubuntu has been talking about working more with upstream – we’ll see. Recently, they’ve mavericked a new notificationsystem and they say they’re sending it upstream but I don’t think they worked upstream building it. Ubuntu needs to find a reliable business model like Red-Hat or Novell and a community model Fedora and OpenSuse or risk separating itself from the Linux community farther.
Again, lots of PKB(pot-kettle-black) and people who can’t handle criticism of The Messiah Distro.
A lot of comments are latching on to me pointing out how Ubuntu does little for upstream. Upstream contribution is a means, not an end. A project as large as Ubuntu — and with the funding of Mark Shuttleworth — should be a good netizen and contribute upstream (and hire upstream devs) but this is not my primary gripe.
One commenter pointed out CentOS — prime example. CentOS is a direct build of RHEL source RPMs with branding changed for legal reasons. It doesn’t claim to be otherwise, and CentOS users are not pious or arrogant about using it. In fact, it largely serves a market that RHEL wouldn’t otherwise touch, those who don’t have the money for support and can run their own systems. These same users would use Debian or the likes if this wasn’t possible, so CentOS is really closer to symbiosis with RHEL than you think (RHEL gets testing, user share, and experienced admins).
The point I was making is that Ubuntu works and is stable largely in part because of other distros. When fanbois spout off about how great it is and how “this one time I used Fedora and it broke” need to pay their alms. The reason Ubuntu is stable is because Fedora is making sure that GCC 4.4 builds and has as few regressions as possible, so while it gets a ton of testing in Rawhide and F11, it is stable by the time it reaches slow Ubuntu.
You sir are an idiot.
I don’t need to explain why I think so, I just say so.
I’m a happy Xubuntu user. I’ve tried AT LEAST 15 other distros, but it just works for me (and my hardware).
I doubt you started out as a knowledgeable user, so why the contempt for the people who are beginners? You too were once a “n00b.” Not everyone can compile and configure their system from scratch and Ubuntu works for them.
Saying that you “lose respect” for simply running an OS just makes you sound like a snob.
People that use Ubuntu can spell. Apparently Fedora and openSUSE makes people dumber.
Well! Did i change to Linux from MS coz of Debian or Opensuse or Redhat or Fedora? the Answer is No No No and again No.
It was Ubuntu which inspired me to change to Linux which one of the other Distros which u listed there did! So much for the other NON Inspiring Linux u love! I dont rant about wat u like and wat u feel! I dont want to gain ur RESPECT!
I love Ubuntu and thats it! Bye
Like you, I hate Ubuntu and all the little ‘buntus. But for somewaht different reasons. I have attempted to install various releases and found all of them wanting in innovation, awkward to manage and apparently (to me) missing the essential Linux configuration management tools or features. I have been using Linux since the mid 90s and I cannot understand how it has become so popular when Debian, Slackware, Fedora and many others are so easy. I suppose they thought to outdo windoze in some way – it doesn’t work for me. However, for those who love it, carry on. I have happily given up at the last sad bird.
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Hate is a strong word. I am not too fond of the assumption that Linux = Ubuntu everywhere. This is even happening on Slashdot but the worst has to be googling for a howto or some other solution. Often the top links are Ubuntu specific and usually they don’t have the answer anyway, just the question and 50 replies that are no help at all. At the same time I am glad that Ubuntu has made Linux more mainstream. There are benefits to that but like you said, Red Hat does a lot of the actual work. Novell and even Intel contribute more code than Ubuntu.
Will you please allow me to keep on using Slackware ?
Inventing a new technology and adding something technical to FOSS isn’t the only way of innovation.
Think of it like this: And architectural engineer is the best man who can design a safe, strong and lasting building, but when it comes to interior design, an interior designer is definitely what’s you’re looking for.
So, we can say that, people at RedHat, Gentoo and Debian and architectural engineers who designed the strong, reliable and safe technology, and then ubuntu came and bundled all those great inventions together in a way that an average, naive user can use, enjoy and depend on.
For example, if you try to convert an, English teacher who know nothing about programming from Windows to something like Slackware, then you’re complete idiot (which you are by the way).
In my opinion, Ubuntu did a great innovation by establishing the first Linux distro that can really be used in the mainstream. And the biggest proof to to that is that companies like DELL, ASUS, System76 have chosen it over the large number of distros we all about (even Fedora).
Just to wrap things up, take a look at the world of Netbooks, and tell me how many netbooks are using Linux (almost all of them), and what distro are they running (mostly Ubuntu). Right then, if you still think that Ubuntu didn’t create anything new, then that’s enough to say that you’re a hopeless pathetic moron.
Soooo… how are you feeling after all these posts, most of them against you? I was right? Ha ha ha…
BTW…. did you know that many governments are using UBUNTU as we speak? That’s not a trivia question ;)
MNC,
The only lesson learned is that fanbois can’t take blasphemous talk of their Messiah Distro. The only thing I should have done differently was title this “I Hate Ubuntu USERS” because that would more correctly reflect my views (see my CentOS comment above, and how they are not pious and arrogant).
Most of the comments against me are PKB. The people that concede Ubuntu is all marketing are correct. Marketing is bullshit, its what you do when a product can’t sell itself and you have to convince people otherwise. Let Linux win on technology, that’s what it is all about.
Not strictly related.. but have you seen this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList ?? Probably the most innovation a distro has ever done in one release.
Oh, and when you pay $300 a year for my VPS I might care what you guys think I should write on _MY_ blog. Have a nice day ;-).
I started using Linux 10 years back with RH. Off late I switched over to Ubuntu and came back to Fedora. I call tell one thing: Ubuntu was all fun, great starter. But, when it come to serious business, my choice is Fedora. Because it provides what exactly I need. Ubuntu is way behind Fedora in this perspective.
I have just recently switched from Windows XP to Ubuntu, although my first computer experiences were with TOS 1.62/2.06 on Atari ST. So for me using Linux is feels more like a return to my Atari days… anyway back on topic… I cannot understand your hatred for me because I use Ubuntu. I was given a Live CD of Fedora 10 and Linux Mint and tried them, and from a ‘n00bs’ point of view they all looked pretty similar because of the GNOME environment but I installed Ubuntu because for a beginner it didn’t seem as imposing. That’s not to say that I won’t try out Fedora or OpenSUSE or Mandriva in the future, but I’ve only been using Ubuntu for about 2 weeks now and still trying to assess whether or not I can do the things I used to do with windows in Linux.
Kev, You must get a great sense of achievement compiling and developing for Linux – I know I felt similar achievement writing programs for GEM/TOS in Lattice C for the Atari ST, but I just want something that I can install and not spend hours/days configuring so that I can emulate what windows did for me – I just don’t have the time or the motivation these days (I have a family and a life afterall)
But thanks Kev for introducing me to the nice ‘friendly’ world of Linux Elitism…
In my experience of average computer user and FOSS addict, I’ve used several distros to end up with Ubuntu. What’s good in FOSS is that you can choose whatever you want. That’s freedom. I wanted something that “just work”. For me, it was Ubuntu. For you, it can be another distro as your need.
You seems to live in the past. Wake up! GNU/Linux is not the geek’s OS any-more. Anyone can use it. Most of the Ubuntu users don’t know a word about compiling, server administration, and other enterprise/geeky stuff.
You hate me, I still don’t hate you.You are just an extremist and fanatic. Don’t you feel yourself like linux’s benladen ? I still believe you could be human. I still believe you’ll came back to reason.
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You have something to say, that’s good. But please, leave the hate aside. That says nothing constructive. It will only generate more hates.
If you have critics which you have, just say it…without hate.